Who Is Barack Obama Really?
- The first “genocide against the black man began 300 years ago,” he told an audience in Harlem at a book-signing, while a second “genocide” was on the way “to remove 15 million Black people, considered disposable, of no relevance, value or benefit to the American society.” – Khalid al-Mansour
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Donald Warden – He is Khalid al-Mansour. Under the name Donald Warden, he was a founding father of the Black Panthers.
Mohammed Hasan Chandoo – Pakistani bundler for Obama. Take a look at the website he runs with his brother. Also, here is the Seattle Times with a piece on him and Obama.
Tony Rezko- Obama admitted to an improper land deal with Rezko. He also represented Rezmar Corp and helped them land than $43 million in government funding. That means our tax dollars. That’s change you can believe in.
Saul Alinski – Master of Community Organizing.
- The agitator’s job, according to Alinsky, is first to bring folks to the “realization” that they are indeed miserable, that their misery is the fault of unresponsive governments or greedy corporations, then help them to bond together to demand what they deserve, and to make such an almighty stink that the dastardly governments and corporations will see imminent “self-interest” in granting whatever it is that will cause the harassment to cease. – Sound familiar?
Rashid Khalidi – A former PLO Agent.
- In Chicago in 1995, Mr. Khalidi and his wife Mona founded the Arab American Action Network (AAAN), a group associated with confrontational statements of support for Palestinians and antagonism toward Israel. In 2001 and again in 2002, the Woods Fund of Chicago, with directors Ayers and Obama, made grants of $40,000 and $35,000 to the AAAN. Importantly, the AAAN vice-president Ali Abunimah of Electronic Intifada has remembered Mr. Obama’s speaking in 1999 against “Israeli occupation” at a charity event for a West Bank refugee camp; and Mr. Abunimah, an American citizen, Hyde Park resident and Princeton graduate, has also recalled Mr. and Mrs. Obama at a fundraiser held for the then-Congressional candidate Obama in 2000 at Rashid and Mona Khalidi’s home, where Mr. Obama made convincing statements in support of the Palestinian cause.
Alwaleed bin Talal – Having a Saudi Prince as a friend of a friend is a damn sight closer than Cheney & Bush ever got to those guys. Article by Military.com
Louis Farrakhan – A close associate of Rev. Wright and an Israel hating Obama sychophant.
Woods Fund – An organization that Obama, who served as a director, and William Ayers were part of when the Woods Fund was granting money to the Arab American Action Network(AAAN), who’s founder and members frequently make anti-Israeli statements.
ACORN – Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now. This group broke off a piece of that “bailout” you keep hearing about. You know, the one that was going to save the economy? The Democratic congress slipped in some favors for ACORN, we were all shocked here at TRN.
ACORN has had legal troubles galore, and yes Barack Obama has worked with them. See that lady’s shirt in the pic below? Fight the lies of this Democratic campaign.
Here is Sweetness and Light with more.
The Black Panthers – Huey Newton and Bobby Seale founded the Marxist-style Black Panther Party. Violent and Anti-American, they were mentored by Donald Warden, a.k.a. Khalid al-Mansour. Here is a link to a Black Panther who hired Donald Warden as an attorney. Also, an excerpt form UC Berkeley’s website about social activism.
- Huey Newton, a black militant activist student, meets Bobby Sealewhile attending Merritt College (Oakland, California). Both join the Afro-American Association, a black cultural organization led by Donald Warden.
Cloward-Piven Strategy – TRN will dedicate an entire post to this issue, it is unbelievable. Here are two “must read” articles about this “change” strategy. (American Thinker) & (Discover The Networks)
Move On- MoveOn.org has heavily funded Barack Obama. They are a far left radical group masquerading as a grassroots effort. When they released their ”General Betray-Us” ad, Barack Obama walked out on a Senate vote to condemn it. He previously voted for the Boxer amendment, which condemed conservative attack ads.
He later condemned the smearing of Gen. Petraeus, when he realized it was the popular thing to do.
I wish Senator Obama were some evil movie villain, it would make this election easy. He is just another “progressive” lawyer-politician, trying to shape America in their Utopian image. We are living the results today.
At best, can any of you really say that Barack Obama has the good judgement to pick a Presidential Cabinet, Supreme Court Justices and appoint Federal Judges?
Barack Obama will choose people just like those he worked with on his way up.
It’s up to you, America.
October 13th, 2008 - 3:42 am
The most startling problem with “who is Obama?” question is that it has a clear eery answer and an astonishing number of votes choose to ignore it. They don’t realize that socialism in its ugliest shape is coming to America if Obama gets elected.
And the worst part is that many people who will end up voting for Obama, wouldn’t know what they are really voting for until it’s too late. They don’t go to the sites like yours, they don’t read long data-rich threads, they don’t watch scary YouTube kids-singing videos. McCain keeps going down in polls because people listen to the huge propaganda machine–and take its lies at face value. What’s missing is an arsenal of conversation changers. These attention grabbers that make an impact in 5 sec. And THEN those whose opinions still can be changed may start reading more. Obama’s side if excellent in this. They have pros working around the clock on all sorts of visuals that go straight to the emotions level, bypassing the logic. Just take a look at this site know what I’m talking about: http://www.designforobama.org/.
Can you name a single memorable anti-Obama poster that speaks to the center-leaning Democratic voter? I can’t. And to expose who Obama really is we need some of that. With my new blog and Facebook page I’ve started a repository to fill this gap. Please take a look — your comments and suggestions are more than welcome.
- Jeff Tyler (Dr. Slogan)
October 13th, 2008 - 10:16 am
My reasons for supporting Obama are not informed or influenced by anyone else’s reasons for doing so. I am fully aware that a cult of personality has cropped up around Obama…and I lament that more people don’t look over the facts and make decisions based on those instead of diluted rhetoric. But honestly, do you think the McCain side hasn’t done their level best to do the exact same thing? Look at the Cult of Palin…it’s every bit as weird as the Cult of Obama. Both mindsets are poisoned but their votes count just the same as yours.
And insofar as the campaigns and their advertising go, I wouldn’t say it is Obama’s side that is engaging in the lowest forms of muckraking. I haven’t seen a positive ad come out of the McCain camp in over 3 weeks. Their current strategy of trying to get voters to care about William Ayers is not only doomed to fail, it is pathetic flailing. Obama, if he wanted to, could air 3x the number of commercials about such interesting topics as Charles Keating, Vicki Iseman, etc. The fact that he hasn’t been descending into that gives you some insight into his character.
Put simply: in 2000, McCain was defeated by the nastiest political mudslinging in history. He rightly decried it and said he would work to prevent that from ever happening again. McCain version 2008 is doing every single thing that was done to him in 2000…and the American people can see it and know that his ambition has finally gotten the better of him. He has sold his soul in order to make this final stab at the White House.
October 13th, 2008 - 11:02 am
How about you swing TRNs readers for Obama. Please explain the tax increase on businesses that gross 250k, and how that will not destroy the market economy?
(Go ahead and call that office too. They are really nice, you’d be suprised.)
October 13th, 2008 - 11:29 am
Obama’s tax plan calls for no tax increases on individuals or familes that make over $250,000 a year. And under Obama’s plan, small businesses will have capital gains taxes eliminated. Additonally there will be tax credits for businesses that employ Americans, as opposed to shipping jobs overseas. Also a healthcare tax credit so that they can insure their employees (not that you care about that).
So if, after all of that, a small business owner actually PROFITS over $250k in a year…they will pay higher taxes. This is after they itemize out all of their expenses…taxes are only on the actual maney gained. You do realize the difference between gross and net, right? And that itemized reduction of taxation is a built-in assumption for any small business? If you have ever had lunch with a small business owner you’ll be familiar with the game: they keep receipts on EVERYTHING. At the end of the year that balances out into a profit that is much the same as if they were getting paychecks from their small business.
Obama’s tax plan is really easy to find, you know. I don’t think they have a copy on McCain’s website though.
October 13th, 2008 - 12:12 pm
Umm, mentally replace “over” with under in my very first sentence. Oops. It should read:
“Obama’s tax plan calls for no tax increases on individuals or familes that make under $250,000 a year.”
As it is currently written, it’s the opposite of my intent, LOL.
October 13th, 2008 - 1:47 pm
His tax plan is easy to find? It’s on his site and it’s more vague than he is.
He does not specify “gross” vs “net” on small business anywhere on there. I see you did not copy and paste that part, because it wasn’t there.
Even if he did, cutting profit to 250k before you get the tax bomb is confiscatory. But that’s the liberal way.
October 13th, 2008 - 1:59 pm
Sigh, this is why arguing with you is so pointless. You take anything that you were looking for in my answer that I didn’t say and flip it into “see, you didn’t say/write/copy-paste X! Typical liberal!”
I did not copy and paste anything like that because gross vs net is not mentioned. The small business owners who are expected to actually read that document already know how their taxation works, unlike you. They understand that the $250k threshhold isnt met in the way you seem to think it is. You seem to believe that if they sell 50,000 widgets at $5.00 every penny past that is taxed at some rate which I am sure you imagine is something like 95%. In reality their cost of operations and deductions kick in and vastly reduce that taxable amount. And if they incorporate their small business this entire argument is moot: they will pay the corporate tax rate. Yes, that tax rate is likely to go up under Obama, although it will be balanced with tax credits for healthcare and keeping jobs in America. You may want to talk to Bush and his deficits about why we do eventually have to raise taxes again, you know. It’s just not possible to always cut taxes and always increase spending. If you and I did that, we’d go bankrupt.
October 13th, 2008 - 2:20 pm
Thats’s right it isn’t mentioned and its good of you to admit that most liberals assume it will go up.
The small business community, which I have been part of most of my life, is not satisfied with vauge proposals on confiscsatory policy.
They have their own accountants and don’t need Obama to do it for them. This also leaves a problem for the accounting industry as well.
As for this illusion of liberals fiscal policy being better, all we need to do is look at the sub-prime crisis.
October 13th, 2008 - 3:09 pm
Liberals fiscal policy is much better than neo-conservative fiscal policy. I will grant you that classical conservatives, with their emphasis on blanced budgets, had a good point. But big government “conservatives” are more dangerous than any liberal. If you ring up huge bills you need to pay them…you can’t expect your grandkids to pay for everything, and you can’t borrow from the Chinest to occupy the Middle East.
And no, I don’t grant you that liberals caused the sub-prime crisis. We already had that argument…we both think we won it. So be it.
October 13th, 2008 - 5:06 pm
Well, we did win the sub-prime argument, the history is there for all to see.
Big gov cons are bad, they are liberal Republicans.
October 14th, 2008 - 12:04 pm
What I don’t understand is why people are knocking Obama for being friends with smart people! People who think outside of the good vs evil box- the there are only two ways to do things box! Obama associates with intellectuals, spiritual leaders and activists…So what? He also associates with a lot of other people and I would much rather have him associate with intellectual activists than right wing, head stuck in a bible, yet don’t get Jesus, activists. People who judge and blast others for not believing what they do…people who incite hatred. Obama stands for the Gospel According to Jesus…love thy neighbor, do good onto others (not watch as they are unemployed and don’t have medical coverage and treat them like just another statistic). He also is not greedy like other religious leaders and I am sorry to say, John McCain. I mean who really needs 6 houses and ten cars and a plane? John Mccain is a threat to the climate all by his damn self!
If I hear one more disparaging thing about khalidi I will scream! He is a genius who knows the HISTORY of the Middle East and knows that situations aren’t always Black and White. He by no means ever incites hatred or violence. Believe me the University of chicago is a good place to get our leaders from…they are intellectual and social activists, but not radical and certainly not socialist!! Capitalism lives strong at the U of C.
October 15th, 2008 - 12:57 pm
So that they are “smart” is enough for you then? It doesnt matter to you that there are good “smart” people, and bad. Karl Marx was smart. Pol Pot was smart too, educated in French Universities. I am glad they arent still around for Obama to surround himself with.
Are you really going to tell me that Obama associates dont incite hatred? Whatever Obama may or may not stand for, of which I am still uncertain, his supporters and the prominent people around him certainly do not send a “love thy neighbor” message to those of us who dare to criticize Obama or disagree with him.
And btw, how many houses are enough in your opinion?
October 15th, 2008 - 8:02 pm
You can’t equate Karl Marx political philosopher with Pol Pot the mass murderer. You might not like Marxism, but that doesn’t equate with what Pot did.
I have not seen Obama associates (real associates not the made up ones of the right-wing) inciting violence. Again, please feel free to post something to back it up.
Also if you are expecting Obama supporters to demure and turn the other cheek, then you are smoking something. Why should they? Arguing for Obama also does not equate to inciting violence. McCain supporters have no problem calling names, and insisting Obama is an Arab or Muslim (nothing wrong with being either), or a terrorist (yes something wrong with that).
Look, there have been nuts coming to McCain-Palin rallies yelling out all sorts of crap. Please reign them in, they are embarrassing your cause. Obama at least chastises knuckle-heads who get rowdy.
I have to agree with Annie above, U of C is full of brilliant people (their med students are a bit weird..but I’m biased, U of I
).
October 15th, 2008 - 9:38 pm
I am just using my own made up standards of what qualifies a person as “smart”. Annie gave me no other standards to use. Pol Pot was an intellectual, University educated, well read and studied in history. The fact he was a mass murderer doesnt refute that. Karl Marx could be called brilliant, but his philosophy has led to the death of millions. How is it unfair to put the man who created the philosophy and the man who implemented it in the same example?
So far I have only seen one televised, or youtube video for that matter of a McCain supporter getting rowdy at a rally. And he was yelling AT McCain, for not being tough enough. He wasnt inciting hatred towards the other side, he was telling our guy to stand up and fight for us. The only other nutjob I know of was a left wing guy yelling and heckling Palin during one of her ralies. Just browsing this one site I can find plenty of evidence of the militant left doing their dirty work. A guy I know has been yelled at and given the finger several times for having a McCain sticker on his car. I get accosted at movie theatres by the “impeach Bush” crowd on Friday and Saturday nights when I try to see a movie. Even when Bill was getting his dick sucked I dont remember seeing behavior like that coming from the right. Bitch Please!!
It is funny the volumes of evidence stacked up against Obama showing the circles of company he keeps, and yet you still deny it. How long are you going to drink the coolaid man, how many times are you going to give him a pass when he says “I barely knew him”? How many coincidences are you going to overlook? Its disgusting frankly. I dont need to work at backing it up because it is all over this site, the news, and the internet if you’d care to look.
October 16th, 2008 - 10:39 pm
Capitalism does not have clean hands. I’ll let you ponder that and also why my family is in this country and why our names are more English and French than say Malian or Kenyan.
If you’ve seen only one, you haven’t watched enough TV and Youtube (which is probably healthy).
Maybe you should read the one about a black cameraman being called a racial epithet. But enough with the feigned ignorance. We BOTH know people who look like me and Obama can’t go to certain places in this country without getting harrassed. It just so happens that the electoral map actually with some accuracy points these places out.
Actually I was never mad a Clinton for getting “handled” by Monica. I was only mad that he didn’t pick a hotter intern.
There aren’t volumes of anything stacked against Obama, just the same rehashed few speculations. None of which have any credible evidence to back up the insinuations. Actually I do enjoy some Kool-Aid. (By the way the people in Guyana didn’t actually drink Kool-Aid brand soft drinks). Either provide some real proof that Ayers advises Obama, or otherwise has had a significant influence on him or shut up. This site, and the internet hardly count as credible evidence. Stop being being stupid. It’s the issues. If we want to get into a contest about questionable associations McCain is neck deep in excrement.
October 17th, 2008 - 9:12 pm
OMG, make me laugh again DMG. You think only people that look like you and Obama have places like that? Man that is pathetic, there are places within 30 miles of my house that I could go and receive the same sort of harassment. Get off your high horse. There are places I can go where the people will look and me and I can feel their eyes burning into me and I wonder if they wouldn’t like to kill me. I don’t fret though, I love it. I put the windows down, crank up some Misfits and let them hate at me.
I have pondered often about the differences between Capitalism and other philosophies, read a great bit about it too. If you want to go tit-for-tat about which has caused less human suffering in the world I’ll let you go first, and you will lose.
As far as you not being willing to recognize that almost every week a new former associate of Obama’s seems to come out in the news. A former terrorist, a terrorist sympathizer, a corrupt CEO of a bailout company, a former founder of the black panthers, a Palestinian sympathizer, a crazed pastor that thinks white people created AIDS to kill black people, the list goes on and on.
I suppose if he hung out at Charlie Manson’s house last year that would be a-ok for you too, so long as Charlie isn’t “influencing” Obama.
I knew at 15 that you are who you associate with, so get your head out of the sand and start seeing Obama for what he really is.
October 17th, 2008 - 9:21 pm
Give me a list of McCain’s questionable associates; I would like to see it please.
So far I know only of the pastor they tried to tie him to months back during the all the Wright goings on. It turned out to be BS. Of course there were all those questionable democrats that he crossed the isle with to help pass some very shitty bills, I would count those on the list.
Please I would like to see the excrement list.
And let’s not forget, McCain has been in the spotlight about 25yrs longer than Obama, so his list ought to be a lot bigger right? At present though it seems like that isn’t the case now is it?
October 17th, 2008 - 9:30 pm
“Ladies & Gentlemen, I present a battle for the ages.”
In this corner, we have mrace, consiglere and son of Chicago. Expert on realpolitik effects of government intervention and scrappy mofo.
And…
In this corner, we have DMG, combat tested, verbose provocateur, and favorite Concern Troll of TRN.
“Let’s get it on!”
October 17th, 2008 - 9:45 pm
DING DING DING!!! This site needs a round card girl
October 17th, 2008 - 11:02 pm
I like this one.
http://pro.corbis.com/images/42-16509414.jpg?size=572&uid=%7BFB4AB892-8B8F-4CAA-8BD8-E20A2B7E9AB6%7D
October 20th, 2008 - 11:29 pm
mrace,
I hardly think I would lose to you in anything. You spent half of your post repeating yourself (and you called ME verbose Rude?) But you asked for questionable associates: (now Rude, I don’t want you getting mad because this list is long)
1. George Wallace Jr.: Gave the welcome address for the Council of Conservative Citizens (wiki that…). McCain has campaigned for him
2. Carl Linder: Funds a terrorist group in Colombia
3. John Hagee: Let’s just call him McCain’s “Rev. Wright” shall we? (and it ain’t B.S. McCain sought and thanked Hagee for his endorsement…feel free to YouTube that one).
4. Rick Davis: Who continued to get paid by Freddie/Fannie until August
5. Richard Quinn: McCain political consultant editor of a magazine that says slavery wasn’t so bad, and that my ancestors were better off as slaves than as free men and women.
6. G. Gordon Liddy: who hosted a fundraiser for McCain at his house and advocates “going for a head shot” if confronted by federal officers.
7. Major General John Singlaub head of the U.S. Council for World Freedom (whose board McCain sat on), known to have ties to Uncle Ronnies Iran-Contra scandal, and ties to Central American right-wing paramilitary units (let’s call them death squads cause that’s what they were) and linked to former Nazi (yes Hitler’s kind, not the bald neo ones) collaborators.
Didn’t even mention Charlie K. You got something for me mrace?
October 21st, 2008 - 8:51 am
While your scrap is with mrace, I am stepping in here. Too many liberal talking points.
George Wallace, ancient history, the same way you dismiss Obama’s crowd.
Carl Linder? Paying off T’s so his employees aren’t kidnapped? See, Linder donates to McCain.
Obama ADVISES Odinga. Difference. Please apply your “skills” to discovering Odinga’s favors to Obama.
John Hagee is not Wright. McCain didn’t have his kids baptized by him, wasn’t married by him, and didn’t sit in front of him for twenty years.
Rick Davis, a guy who took money from a Democrat slush fund. You jealous? You want a refund or something?
Richard Quinn, first I have heard of him, and despite the hurtful stupidity of what he may have said, he didn’t bomb the pentagon.
G.Gordon Liddy was talking about authorities overstepping their bounds. I listened to that broadcast when it happened (WACO era) and I met G.Gordon Liddy. A great man.
Singlaub, he only sat on board, it’s not like he shared an office or helped him write a book.
You see the problem in trying to defend a liar and cheat like Obama?
October 21st, 2008 - 8:51 am
Chuck K?
McCain and Glenn were exonerated. Nice try.
October 21st, 2008 - 2:55 pm
Why mrace can’t defend himself?
And Ayers was not convicted, so what’s your point?
Rude, you AREN’T GETTING THE REAL POINT! Associations don’t mean shit. These are skeletons in McCain’s closet that the “liberal MSM” aren’t making a big deal about, while you right-wing types are foaming at the mouth about Ayers and Wright (and don’t you dare try to sweep Hagee under the table). We don’t give a shit about “associations”. If we did, these guys would be all over the news all day, everyday.
And by the way George Wallac JR. is not ancient history, maybe you were thinking about SR. And don’t even think about giving Liddy a pass. Or are you one of the Waco conspiracy types. Law enforcement are heros until they apply the law to some right-wing group, eh?
Yeah, real nice try Rude. The ONLY reason you’ll win this argument is because you own the website. And how is Obama a liar or a cheat? You have nothing and know you have nothing. Learn to lose with some grace.
October 21st, 2008 - 4:11 pm
mrace can defend himself fine, I stepped in and explained myself.
Liddy was not talking about the ATF just in reference to WACO, and he was talking specifically about police abusing the populace.
Ayers was not convicted because of a legal technicality (COINTELPRO) that caused his case to be dropped. You post here enough to know that, and it shows your dishonesty. You tried to make him look innocent, but that’s how you guys work these days.
“And how is Obama a liar or a cheat?”
He lied about using public financing.(Broke his pledge)
He used Rezko to get his digs.
He lied constantly in his debate with Hillary, especially when it came to what he said about Ronald Reagan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7PYr-M72a0
He lied about working for ACORN.
He hid that he shared on office with Ayers.
He said he didn’t know him very well personally, but Ayers helped him write a book and Obama blurbed Ayers own book.
He helped the violent Raila Odinga to power in Kenya (Human Right Watch had the goods on Odinga’s crowd)
He hides his relationship with Eni Faleomavaega, and all the pork money the Dems have funneled him.
He lied in his book about a LIFE Magazine article that changed his life.
He lied about the audacity of hope painting, or at least repeated Wright’s lie in his book.
He broke his pledge not to advertise in FL during the primary.
He lied saying he won Michigan, later claiming he misspoke.
Obama raked in millions from PACS, then declared them off limits. He was so concerned that big money was problem that he rejected public financing, after promising to use it.
His campaign supporter created the 1984 against Hillary Clinton, something he tried to deny.
There is much more out there, go get it if you are honest enough to challenge yourself.
Aside from all that, he seems like a typical lawyer politician.
October 21st, 2008 - 4:40 pm
Where did I repeat myself? Associations arent shit? It is obvious that you don’t get the point.
But I will take some time to research your list. The only name on there I know much about is Liddy, I’ve read all his books. So that’s Liddy and Hagee that I can cross off right now. Oh, and yes I would go for a headshot too if a federal agent threatened my family, you probably should have actually listened to the conversation he was having instead of just pulling out one line that fit your agenda.
I really dont expect to find anything substantial with your list though, we can both agree that most in the media are pulling for Obama (or are you completely delusional about that as well?), so if your names list had anything to it they would be castrating McCain with it. The fact that those names aren’t all over the New York Times and CNN, tells me that either your boys arent doing their jobs, or they know they can’t win the association game; which makes it even more funny that you think little old you can.
October 21st, 2008 - 9:07 pm
mrace (is that Mr. Ace?) Take your time. Read all about them. My point is that even if Sen. McCain was on a board with a group that has Nazi ties, I don’t think that makes McCain a Nazi. I like, and have liked John McCain for over 20-years. Get over the Ayers thing. You asked for questionable associations and I gave you some. I could care less if you want to try to give McCain a pass.
How are you going to cross Hagee OFF, but keep Wright ON? Instead of going for a headshot (which I doubt you could get off under duress in the middle of a firefight, even if you were a Scout-Sniper), why not obey the law and well, come out with your hands up. Or do you only selectively obey the law?
October 21st, 2008 - 9:10 pm
mrace, I think we are more interested in winning on the issues rather than playing the smear game. McCain would be closer in the polls if he ran on issues and ideas rather than this stupid personal attack crap. Grow up man, nobody gives a rats ass about Ayers or Keating or Rezko or Singlaub. None of them put food on the table, that is unless you are a paid blogger or newscaster.
October 21st, 2008 - 9:53 pm
The alleged quotes from his books cited here are almost all alterations, deliberate distortions, or even outright fabrications of Obama’s words. The smears have all been debunked here:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/therealquote
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_obama_write_that_he_would_stand.html
http://snopes.com/politics/obama/ownwords.asp
Here are a few facts about Barack and his books that people should know:
Dreams from My Father is a thoughtful, genuine look at family and race in America that Ontheissues.org calls: “the book to read if you want to understand Obama’s personal background and how it forms his character. It was written while he was still only an obscure State Senator — written in his spare time, without a ghost writer, while struggling to make ends meet on a state senator’s salary.”
One of the seemingly offensive quotes from these smear emails is really taken from this passage, a touching meditation on the difficulties bi-racial people have balancing two identities: “When people who don’t know me well, black or white, discover my background (and it is usually a discovery, for I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of twelve or thirteen, when I began to suspect I was ingratiating myself to whites), I see the split-second adjustments they have to make, the searching of my eyes for some telltale sign. They no longer know who I am.”
On March 18th, 2008, Barack concluded a landmark speech on race in America with a stirring reminder that we all depend on each other here: “[W]hat is called for is nothing more, and nothing less, than what all the world’s great religions demand — that we do unto others as we would have them do unto us. Let us be our brother’s keeper, Scripture tells us. Let us be our sister’s keeper. Let us find that common stake we all have in one another, and let our politics reflect that spirit as well.”
October 21st, 2008 - 10:28 pm
“The alleged quotes from his books cited here are almost all alterations” – Linkwhore
Yeah? Well where are the quotes at? I don’t see any in the post.
Ayers helped him on one of those books, you know when they shared the office he forgot to mention.
“One of the seemingly offensive quotes from these smear emails…”
I don’t give a damn about smear emails, stick to the post.
“On March 18th, 2008, Barack concluded a landmark speech on race…” because he needed to explain away his crazy preacher. It was the most eloquent dodge in American history, and he still didn’t quit the church until Pfleger.
You guys can keep excusing this man who has written two autobiographies laden with “errors” by age 46. He’s got nothing but the race card to carry him through two more weeks.
You better hope America feels that guilty.
October 21st, 2008 - 10:29 pm
Oh, Yeah, stick to the post. Don’t make stuff up that isn’t in there. You’re as bad as Obama.
October 21st, 2008 - 10:32 pm
Well I disagree that nobody gives a rats ass about Ayers or Keating because in fact, a lot of people do and not just republicans. The fact that people like you don’t, and so easily dismiss them is downright scary to me and many other Americans. If McCain is tied to a Nazi group then that would definitely factor in how I judge him. And I definitely wouldn’t go defending it all over left wing blogs and telling people it doesn’t matter the way you are doing for Obama. You should be ashamed acting like some kind of cheerleader for a man who says “God damn America” in a church! I see a world of difference between Hagee and Wright and their relationships with respective candidates, I could write a very long post about just that, but I won’t bother because I think you know exactly what I am talking about if you read Obama’s book, in his own words Wright was like a father to Obama. Was Hagee like a father to McCain? Or you can hide behind your statement that associates don’t mean shit, which is either a lie you are telling us so you can justify turning a blind eye and voting for your guy, or you are extremely stupid and should perhaps join the others in the Antarctic.
The associates ARE one of the issues, it has been that way for every candidate to run for president until Obama came along and then all of a sudden to democrats they don’t mean shit. Convenient? Yea and pathetic too.
Why do you care what my name means? Are you seeing more in it than is really there? Are you getting ready to call me a racist, it wouldn’t be the first time some lib went there on a blog.
Why bother to make assumptions about my prowess with a firearm? The point is, I would defend my family and my property to the best of my ability, which if you cared to know what you are talking about was what Liddy was referring to. Perhaps you too have some homework to do
October 22nd, 2008 - 3:05 pm
Oh, mrace (actually I kind of like Mr. Ace, you should use it, I never thought it meant anything racist. I was giving you a compliment.)
You don’t have a real argument. We are talking about associations. You believe they really matter. These sites like Rudes have jumped on the latin bandwagon by spouting out “Ad Hominem”, however in the same breath forget about another ad hominem fallacy: Guilt by association.
McCain accepted the Hagee endorsement
Hagee thinks the Catholic Church is the “Great Whore”
McCain thinks the Catholic Church is the “Great Whore”
Do you see how stupid that looks?
If you want to continue swimming in your own ignorance, that’s your prerogative.
As for being ashamed for the “God Damn America” speech, you are blind if you think we haven’t done some nasty things around the world in addition to the good. Or have you forgotten the Native American genocide, and years of systematic slavery, or more recently lynchings in the South. You need to actually crack a book.
It ain’t about “prowess” with a firearm, it’s about training, which most people DON’T have. Don’t believe me? Ask Yes I Served. Liddy was talking about FEDERAL AGENTS in the performance of their legal duties. Or do you think it’s OK for drug dealers to shoot at cops with a search warrant? Don’t sugar coat it man.
October 23rd, 2008 - 7:50 pm
DMG this is the last comment Im going to put on this topic because frankly, I am tired of explaining it to you.
Your example:
“Hagee thinks the Catholic Church is the “Great Whore”
McCain thinks the Catholic Church is the “Great Whore”
Should be written like this.
“Hagee thinks the Catholic Church is the “Great Whore”
“McCain is in close association with Hagee, Hagee has his ear every sunday for 20 years. McCain writes a book saying what a great mentor and father-figure Hagee is. McCain grants Hagee a spot on his campaign staff and defends his outlandish statements like the one above”
I am not saying everthing Wright says is what Obama says, I am saying that Obama has very poor judgement as to who he chooses to associate with. I never accused Obama of being in poor association with P-fucking-Diddy did I? Why? Because P-Diddy is an endorser, not an associate. Get it straight and stop acting stupid.
This is at least the third time on TRN that I have seen you bring up how bad America is, attacking our economic system and our history. Is this what you democrats mean by being patriotic? I am well aware of the history of my country, being so I am also aware that slavery is illegal here now, and no longer exists in this country unlike many places around the world. We fixed our error long ago. As for the Indians, find me some reservations in Mexico or South America. Lets go see how the Natives down there are doing and then compare. America has never been a perfect country but it is by and large the most benevolent super power this world has ever seen. So stop sounding like Osama Bin Laden and all of our enemies around the world and acting like we are the great evil.
Crack a book? Haha how you make me laugh DMG, I havent stopped reading since 5th grade.
Liddy wasnt talking about drug dealers, he was talking about Federal Agents drunk with power and abusing their authority, I believe you and I both know that. I dont advocate commiting crimes, dont be stupid, but I do think all Americans have a responsibility to protect ourselves from agents like Lon Horiuchi. Drop the Liddy stuff DMG, you are playing ignorant and believing I wont call you on it. I know the conversation, and the context of your little sound bite you cherry picked out of a long segment of a radio show, stop lying about it, you are better than that.
October 24th, 2008 - 12:04 am
mrace, I’m tired of explaing the tenets of logic to you. Just go look it up in wikipedia or something. Or better yet, go down to your local junior college and take a course in Logic. You are boring me.
G. Gordon Liddy:
August 26, 1994 – Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they’re going to be wearing bulletproof vests.” … “They’ve got a big target on there, ATF. Don’t shoot at that, because they’ve got a vest on underneath that. Head shots, head shots…. Kill the sons of bitches.
September 15, 1994 – If the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms insists upon a firefight, give them a firefight. Just remember, they’re wearing flak jackets and you’re better off shooting for the head.
Now he says that if “…talking about a situation in which law enforced agents comes smashing into a house, doesn’t say who they are, and their guns are out” I say, then how does he know they are ATF wearing flak jackets, and to shoot them in the head. In my previous post I compared federal agents to local police NOT drug dealers. I’m waiting for you to call me on it…
Stop being putz, and if I thought America was so bad, I wouldn’t have USMC on my left shoulder. And feel free to visit any of the Res’ down in Arizona.
October 24th, 2008 - 12:56 am
Okay, end of liberal B.S.
See, Media Matters is the Drudge Report of people like DMG, and they always deny it. Amazingly, reading Media Matters is just like reading…DMG.
On the same Media Matters page where this began, the whole “Liddy is McCain’s Ayers” joke, is Liddy’s take on it. Something these lib blogs saw, and ignored.
LIDDY: [A]s usual, people remember part of what I said, but not all of what I said. What I did was restate the law. I was talking about a situation in which the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes smashing into a house, doesn’t say who they are, and their guns are out, they’re shooting, and they’re in the wrong place. This has happened time and time again. The ATF has gone in and gotten the wrong guy in the wrong place. The law is that if somebody is shooting at you, using deadly force, the mere fact that they are a law enforcement officer, if they are in the wrong, does not mean you are obliged to allow yourself to be killed so your kinfolk can have a wrongful death action. You are legally entitled to defend yourself and I was speaking of exactly those kind of situations. If you’re going to do that, you should know that they’re wearing body armor so you should use a head shot. Now all I’m doing is stating the law, but all the nuances in there got left out when the story got repeated.
Just highlight the quote DMG put up, put it in Google, and watch the clones repeat their talking point.
Even David Letterman repeated this crap.
The irony is, by hitting Liddy here, they admit associations are important to them as well. Because they are. And just like we agree more often wih Liddy, they agree more often with Wright, Ayers, Khalid Mansour, Michael Pfleger, Franklin Raines and Tony Rezko.
They are just ashamed to admit publicly they think like this.
DMG, since you came to troll here on TRN, in all of your regurgitated talking points, you have managed to break open the great lobster dinner scandal.
Congratulations.
October 24th, 2008 - 10:40 am
You two are killing me with your nonsense protecting Liddy. How can you possibly think what he has said was anything other than what he meant? In his original dated quotes, he mentions nothing about “getting the wrong guy” in fact he says quite clearly if they “come to disarm you”. And if they have the wrong guy why are you trying to make head shots? Just do what happens daily in the ghetto, get on the floor and shut your mouth. The only thing you get by “taking head shots” (and back me up please I served…it’s not an easy shot to take under duress when taken by surprise) is a crossfire, and increasing the likelihood that your kin gets killed. Anyway, all I mentioned was a dubious association. Right or wrong about Liddy, he has made statements that may be presumed to be anti-law enforcement. I don’t think you have given Wright the same kind of defense, and he never advocated shooting cops in the head. But go on bleet on about Obama’s “associations”.
October 24th, 2008 - 10:48 am
Lobster Detective:
When the left makes the association argument, they affirm it is important to someone’s judgment.
When they dismiss the association argument, it’s because the associations of their guy are trash.
When they bust open a lobster dinner case, they think they are Matlock.
October 24th, 2008 - 10:53 am
Actually, I was trying my hardest to say that the association argument was a bunch of bull, but mrace had to start moaning about how Liddy was such a hero.
It’s funny, I make an argument FOR John McCain, and you guys still argue against me.
And what is with you and Lobsters? (and Matlock endorsed Obama
)
October 24th, 2008 - 11:09 am
Man you missed again. The argument was associations.
You never argued for Mac in your life you damn concern troll.
You keep Matlock and I’ll raise you Liberman, Rothschild and Hillary. (She’s McCain all the way.)
October 24th, 2008 - 11:25 am
Ummm. Rothschild? Doesn’t she live in England, isn’t she the epitome of elitist. Feel free. And, dude if you want Hillary (you haven’t looked at her platform have you…), take her. I’m sure Bill will be happy she’s out of the house. And by the way check out my post from Oct. 22 at 3:05pm. I’m arguing for Johnny Mac. I’m still curious about your Lobster fetish.
October 24th, 2008 - 11:29 am
If you call the “Hagee, Great Whore” talking point a pro-MacCain argument, you need to brush up on those concern troll skills.