Concern Trolling Exemplar
They had to quickly change their tune and stop calling him Uncle Tom, making up quotes where he says “Yes suh!”, and all that other stuff they did to him for the last few decades.
Now Powell has decided he knows what is best for the Republican Party, and has said:
- “…his party’s attempt “to use polarization for political advantage” backfired last month”
Hmm…the polarization for political advantage in ‘08…
Could he be talking about:
Telling people that “the rich” have been taking advantage of “the poor?” (Pretty funny that he now supports all these crappy bailouts) He actually uses “Big Oil” rhetoric on his web page.
Telling people that Gitmo must be closed down and letting accusations of torture stand against our troops?
Telling people that McCain is McBush, after McCain fought Bush on almost all the issues…
- …Except the tax cuts (which Barack backtracked on, but will backtrack on the backtrack later in ’09) and Immigration, in which both McCain and Bush are amnesty geeks, as well as Obama. To top it all off, Obama keeps Robert Gates, the guy running the war for Bush.
Using fancy stories about people shouting “kill him”, which were manufactured.
Never mind that the entire modern liberal platform is based on the destruction of the oil industry, an assault on Christianity, Abortions on demand, wealth redistribution, historical revisionism, class warfare, feeding trial lawyers, and military reductionism.
The only place McCain used divisive issues, was when he sided with Democrats.
December 16th, 2008 - 9:50 am
You DO realize there are more than two political sides right? I don’t know to whom you are referring when you are speak of people calling Powell and “Uncle Tom” etc. Most of the people I know have always liked him. We were pretty pissed when he went to the U.N. but realized that if the man knows how to do anything, it’s follow orders. But I certainly don’t see him as the face of the GOP, actually I’m not really sure he’s even a Republican anymore. Again, your party has come apart at the seams. I think there are people like Romney, Jindal and a few others who are fairly reasonable (although I’m not well versed on what they stand for socially). Powell is a reasonable and intelligent man. I think you should fight for more reasonable and intelligent men and women in your party.
“Telling people that Gitmo must be closed down and letting accusations of torture stand against our troops?”
Why does everyone think of “our troops” as being as virtuous as choir boys? If they’ve tortured people those responsible should stand trial. If they haven’t they should be exhonerated. If what we are doing is defined by the rest of the world as torture we should just admit that we’ll torture people to get the information we want, and tell the world to piss off. What’s the big deal? Individuals disgracing the uniform should be tossed OUT of the uniform. Service in the military does not confer god status (if it did I may have smited you awhile ago
). We can take an accusation without wilting like a flower. It’s OK.
Gitmo should be closed down. We are only just circumventing international law by keeping it open. And you can’t hold someone forever without trial. It ain’t civilized…and WE ARE a civilized nation. Remember?
I’ll let you think of the “liberal platform” any way you like, there’s no need for a screaming match today, but I ask you (and I ask left leaners similar questions about the right): if you boil it down to those things, what is gained by the “liberals”? So I think you might be missing the boat on their motivation.
December 16th, 2008 - 10:42 am
“If they’ve tortured people those responsible should stand trial.”
That’s the operative phrase right there. Most leftists have made up their mind we torture, because they wanted to. Mcclatchy news service came right out and said it. I heard an exchange on NPR a few months ago over this, I will post it soon it looks like, because this Gitmo crap is getting around again.
International law my ass. This is one of those left vs right issues. I never cared, nor will care, what everyone else thinks.
December 16th, 2008 - 2:36 pm
Rude,
I think you know me well enough over the last few months to realize I mean what I say especially about the military. I don’t want anyone disgracing the uniform. I wouldn’t want our MIA/POW’s to undergo what happens in Gitmo.
Dude, Dick Cheney came out today and said he’s for water-boarding, which is considered torture around the world. And it doesn’t matter what you think, we are a part of the international community, you can’t have it both ways. If we want to roll up our welcome matt, close our borders, and stop trade then fine, but that’s not going to happen. Why the reluctance to just come out and say, “Yeah, we torture people, and we aren’t going to stop because it’s in our national interest”. Instead we pretend like waterboarding is merely a less than pleasant experience rather than torture. We should either admit it and continue or stop pretending.
December 16th, 2008 - 3:25 pm
“Dude, Dick Cheney came out today and said he’s for water-boarding, which is considered torture around the world.”
Get real. Anything a journalist does voluntarily is not a torture. It may be uncomfortable and scary, but it ain’t the rack.
We don’t have to give up squat to anyone.
Half the world tortures guys who steal bread. I don’t think the “international law” is working very well. It ain’t the Constitution and, Gitmo dweebs aren’t proteced by the Constitution either.
I WISH our troops had the easy ride that is Gitmo, compared to what has happend to them when the Jihadists have caught them.
December 16th, 2008 - 4:03 pm
The point is we are supposed to be the civilized ones. I don’t care what “jihadists” do. WE have rules, WE have a Constitution, WE as military personnel take an oath to duty. Maybe you’ll let me waterboard you until I get you to confess that you dance around in a pink frilly tutu, because a person being tortured will say anything to make the pain stop.
Let’s not beat around the bush of semantics. The fact that we treat them semi-humanely isn’t something to be lauded. That should be expected. We are the United States, not some backwater banana republic. Guantanamo Bay represents is being held indefinitely without charges. It’s not something a country of our stature should be doing.
December 16th, 2008 - 4:13 pm
Utter bull.
Non-citizens do not get citizens rights. Period.
The battlefield is not for lawyers to cash in on.
I defy you to prove anyone at Gitmo is treated semi-humanely.
This waterboarding crap is beyond the pale. They mutilate our troops, and we give two guys an angry bath.
Total liberal wedge issue BS.
December 16th, 2008 - 6:35 pm
Dude, again I remind you, we are in the United States. We don’t mutilate their fighters because they mutilate ours. We are a civilized nation. We have a professional military, anybody who just wants revenge should get out and go it alone.
Can you prove that anyone at Gitmo is treated within the laws of the Geneva Convention? Neither of us can prove anything. WE don’t know.
You should try waterboarding sometime, I’m sure it’s like an angry bath…
December 16th, 2008 - 7:14 pm
That’s very telling that a liberal wants their INNOCENCE proven first, not their guilt. If it were the detainees, you would switch it around.
You literally have equal faith in the detainees.
The Geneva doesn’t apply here, despite what lawyers want.
The interpretations are trash, and if we violated the law, nothing happened. So it is simply worthless. It is good press and good liberal talking points. Nobody is getting arrested. Some law.
McClatchy news wasn’t unsure at all about the treatment. NPR went a step further and said we MADE the terrorists.
That stuff about revenge is an outright lie and another smear liberals lay on them. They waterboarded those dudes for intel, not “revenge”
Where the hell are all the liberals writing about Roosevelt’s inhumane treatment of Nazis? We shot and hung them. It’s different when Democrats do it…
December 16th, 2008 - 7:32 pm
The philsophical divde here is between those who trust our militatry and those who don’t. Some trust the suspected combatants.
I found the accusations of actual torture against our troops slanderous. If they were true, the legal system within the military itself would have taken care of it.
This is simply a question of faith, and who one has faith in. The suspects or the military.
December 16th, 2008 - 8:01 pm
“That’s very telling that a liberal wants their INNOCENCE proven first, not their guilt.”
Really Rude? Really? That is what you are going with? Yes, Rude a liberal former Unites States Marine wants the justice system turned upside down and forget it’s years of tradition, and innocent until proven guilty. That’s not even worth the keystrokes. Come on, don’t get lazy on me.
The revenge line wasn’t about waterboarding, but other unprofessional behavior. Sorry if I wasn’t clear.
Not true, German POW’s were actually treated better than the black U.S. soldiers coming back from the European theater.
Rude, let me ask you a serious question. Away from this blog does everything boil down to “liberal” and “conservative” with you?
December 16th, 2008 - 8:48 pm
Jesus Ch***t Superstar! Publish me beetch!
Putting wet towels on their heads is not torture! Ha ha ha! When they go outside in the rain do they run aroun in circles screaming “Allah most merciful, there is a wet towel on my head” No, so this is all stoopid.
You guys just want foothold on my man Bush who whipped all your asses so bad, you had to hire the President from 24.
December 16th, 2008 - 8:55 pm
I think this quite clearly demonstrates the guilt before innocence issue;
Can you prove that anyone at Gitmo is treated within the laws of the Geneva Convention?
It’s simply a caveat of the left that they are traditionally anti-military. They never trust the military. Look at how they treat recruiters.
Look at how they treated those Marines at Haditha. Nobody was held to account for Jack Murtha’s and Dick Durbin’s slanders. The Democrat Party simply likes that line of thought.
December 16th, 2008 - 9:23 pm
Yes, most issues eventually can be broken down into left vs right.
That German POW stuff is laughable. We didn’t hang anyone in Gitmo, but if we did, we would not get the mysterious pass that FDR gets. The libs would cry a river.
The inhumane treatment comment was sarcastic.
Okay you kids have fun here.
I made my case and that’s that.
December 17th, 2008 - 7:54 am
Iron Geek,
This is like arguing with kindergarteners. The Gitmo comment was to demonstrate that nobody can prove anything at Gitmo because there isn’t unfettered access. And you are just wrong in you “logic”.
Maybe you should take a look at some of the cases of misconduct by our military including the murder of civilians. The thought of covering up a crime committed during combat is NOT far-fetched and perpetrators of this practice may be found all the way up the chain of command.
The breakdown of discipline in combat is detrimental to the unit. Willfully committing a crime during combat (not talking about a mistake) is a breakdown of discipline and against the UCMJ. But maybe you guys just don’t care about the reputation of our military. I’m sorry, I don’t want to be thought of in the same way the Serbs, Russians, or some of the Banana Republic militaries are thought of.
December 17th, 2008 - 9:20 am
Well, you can insult me and whoever else is supposed to be a kindergartener just before you say I am wrong in… ‘you “logic”’.
“Maybe you should take a look at some of the cases of misconduct by our military including the murder of civilians.”
Why would I want to seek out the worst case scenarios and debacles of our military? Every organization has bad apples, why seek them out in the best and brightest people who sacrifice for us? I am sure the “journalists” already combed through everything they had. The McClatchy service had to go talk to actual terrorists, who said it was our fault. Good God.
“But maybe you guys just don’t care about the reputation of our military. I’m sorry, I don’t want to be thought of in the same way the Serbs, Russians, or some of the Banana Republic militaries are thought of.”
This is your “coming out” statement right there. Only the left thinks this way about our military. I challenge you to find one right leaning post or comment on this very site that “looks down its nose” at our military. This is your line of Democratic thinking alone. I have carefully read this whole thread, and you are the only one casting dispersions on the military. Everyone else casts them on the “journalists”, where they rightly belong.
December 17th, 2008 - 1:40 pm
Iron Geek,
It’s not a lefty thing, it’s 10 years of firsthand enlisted experience. So the looking down “its nose” is incorrect when you are talking to me. I don’t like people tarnishing my Corps especially. Honor, Courage, Commitment isn’t just a slogan to us. And Honor is first for a reason.
December 17th, 2008 - 2:26 pm
Then why, sir, are you the only one here questioning that honor?
December 17th, 2008 - 5:19 pm
Iron, were you ever in the military? It’s not the boy scouts. Maybe I question that honor because I’m the only one here who actually has experience with dishonorable troops. They are sometimes called shitbirds. Funny you should mention Haditha…that one smells bad. You give them the benefit of the doubt…I know better. They are no more honest than your average citizen. Anyone in the military can tell you stories of some of our “brethren”, there is theft, drug dealing, hell there was a high profile prostitution ring that got broken up during Desert Storm. I’m like the parent who when confronted with a story about the possibility of his child being involved with wrongdoing, asks what it is my child is accused of, rather than first scream that his child can do know wrong.
December 17th, 2008 - 7:54 pm
“Funny you should mention Haditha…that one smells bad”
You simply prove the point right there. Many publications had to issue corrections to their accusations, and Murtha himself is being sued for libel.
“Maybe I question that honor because I’m the only one here who actually has experience with dishonorable troops.”
Here you assume I have never been in the military, then you go on about your experience with shitbirds. You focus on some guy who did what? He didn’t murder anyone, because you would have trumpeted that already. Or did they, and you remained silent? So you experienced some malcontents and now you want the Haditha crew to get it’s just deserts because you don’t like the mission.
This whole pile comes after you insult me as a kindergartener, call into question the honor of Marines you know nothing about, compare them to children, and all the while you pretend to care for their honor.
Earlier in the thread I wrote this:
“I think this quite clearly demonstrates the guilt before innocence issue;
(your words)“Can you prove that anyone at Gitmo is treated within the laws of the Geneva Convention?”
Right there is your presumption of our Marines guilt before innocence. You reinforce this point with:
“Funny you should mention Haditha…that one smells bad. You give them the benefit of the doubt…I know better. They are no more honest than your average citizen.”
That’s very telling of your faith in the UCMJ and the Marine Corps.
I trust both enough to do their best to get it right. I don’t need a peanut gallery of Democratic politicians and yellow journalists to try them for me. If you value their honor so much, why do you think the Marines and the UCMJ would provide a cover-up for men who are murderers in your eyes?
December 17th, 2008 - 8:00 pm
What is going on in here? Are you guys running your own talk show or what?
There are dogs eating sharks out front and you freaks are locked up in a Matlock vs JAG dick waving contest.
I just got a bill for bandwith. DMG and IG, you owe us $900.00 for massive amounts of Internets taken up. You have clogged the tubes. This is a series of tubes.
December 17th, 2008 - 11:37 pm
Silence….
I guess egg doesn’t sit well on certain faces.
December 18th, 2008 - 12:05 am
Not silence, I was at a holiday party. You know you have to give folks a chance to reply right? Alot of us aren’t sitting in front of a computer day and night.
So Iron, excuse me, do you have military service? You never answered directly.
Actually I didn’t focus on anyone. There are differing accounts about Haditha. I want justice served, that’s all. I don’t want anyone getting a pass because somebody is feeling patriotic.
By the way, if Rude hasn’t whispered it in your ear already, I know quite a bit about Honor, and the Marine Corps. I spent time in the Suck (it’s a Marine thing, you might not understand). But I do thank you for capitalizing the word Marine, alot of folks get that wrong.
Your logic is flawed with your Gitmo comments, but I’ll leave that to you to figure out. By the way it’s not “our” Marines (unless you stood on some yellow footprints in San Diego or Parris Island). It’s United States Marine Corps to you. Thank you for understanding that we are a bit possessive about our Eagle, Globe and Anchor.
Marines and the UCMJ didn’t provide a cover-up. I suggested that there are those within MY Corps who might dishonor the uniform by doing so. And please don’t put words in my mouth. If there were those who wore my uniform who committed murder at Haditha, I want them strung up by their nuts and delivered back to the Iraqis. Is that too harsh a picture for you? If they are innocent I want the World to know and have Time Magazine do a story about their innocence.
Rude, sorry for clogging your tubes (do you know what you can do with an aluminum tube? Aluminum!-Dave Chappelle). I’ll try to make this the last post on this subject. You’ll find I wasn’t being provocative this time. The check is in the mail by the way. You DO still take Confederate dollars over there in Charlotte right?
December 18th, 2008 - 11:23 am
“Alot of us aren’t sitting in front of a computer day and night.”
Really? I thought you were the executive editor over here. The comments column should just have your name on top.
“I spent time in the Suck (it’s a Marine thing, you might not understand)”
I know the Suck. Unfortunately, your attempt to sound elite is equal to every fourteen-year-old who watched Jarhead on HBO.
Your logic is flawed with your Gitmo comments, but I’ll leave that to you to figure out.
What drive-by cowardice you display. Just simply show the line that exposes my “illogic”
Would this be the illogic of impugning the Marines on this thread? Because only you and you alone did that.
By the way it’s not “our” Marines (unless you stood on some yellow footprints in San Diego or Parris Island). It’s United States Marine Corps to you.
You are wrong. It’s our Marines.
Nowhere is this written, except for in the minds of prima donnas.
You’ll find I wasn’t being provocative this time.
You are the one who made it personal right here:
This is like arguing with kindergarteners
and here:
And you are just wrong in you “logic”.
and here:
But maybe you guys just don’t care about the reputation of our military.
This was all in one comment.
I especially enjoyed your classic duck-and-cover grenade toss of:
Iron, were you ever in the military?
and this:
So Iron, excuse me, do you have military service? You never answered directly.
This is where you say to all who don’t have a service background that their arguments are weaker because you have one. This is also the calling card of prima donna Democrats who use their service as a weapon when they are losing the argument.
You hide behind our Marines when convenient, but cast doubt upon their character when it suits you, it’s all right here for every Marine to see.
Regardless of my service, not one word one this thread would change.
To quote a a prima donna we all know:
“You are just wrong in you “logic”.
December 18th, 2008 - 11:47 am
This is why I don’t like these thing going so long. It’s boring, and it is just a pissing contest between you two now.
I have to say though DMG, that calling people out about serving crap is tired. You need to drop that from your arsenal. It’s a dud.
Confederate dollars?
I think the IG is under your skin that you retreat to the race card.
You guys should have gone to see the dog and shark show…
December 18th, 2008 - 11:51 am
Rude, come on man, the confederate dollars thing was an innocent joke between you and me, because you are a southerner nothing to do with racism.
December 18th, 2008 - 11:54 am
Iron,
I promised Rude, I wouldn’t comment anymore, so therefore I’ll leave you only with this
Now if Rude gives me the go ahead to further comment, I’ll do so.
December 18th, 2008 - 1:11 pm
Pah!
Go for it.
I was just pointing out the obvious, never stopped the crazies before. Should have gone to the dog and shark video… I got instinct on these things…
Ladies and Gentelmen…
I present another battle of the ages…
In this trollfight I fully expect low blows, cheap shots and cliches. Aything less will be a gyp.
In this corner we have DMG, TRN concern troll extraordinaire and siege engineer of Internet conservatism.
and in this cornrer we have the Iron Geek, former email only contributor, and first time duelist in the cistern of TRN’s madness.
I want a dirty fight, humiliation and incivliity are encouraged…
Let’s get it on!
December 18th, 2008 - 2:10 pm
Now Rude, you know I don’t fight dirty
Iron, like I told Rude a few months ago, I don’t care if you’ve ever served or not, it’s a personal decision. I don’t think any less of you for not having served.
And Rude I hardly think it’s a dud, it sure does stir up alot of emotions on the side of the civilian. However, I do get a little bit peeved when I hear all of this pro-military bravado from folks who have never walked in a pair of combat boots. You just don’t have the experience. Sure you’ve seen Platoon or some John Wayne re-run. It’s not the same. The military was alot different than I had imagined it to be before enlisting. There are somethings that are better, and somethings that just suck. One of the worst things was to find that not everybody was an honorable Marine. Many of us took wearing the uniform seriously. That doesn’t mean we give everyone an automatic pass when they do something wrong. That’s why we have “Brigs”. You’d be saddened, like I am, and surprised that there is drug dealing, prostitution, gang members, people on welfare, lots of alcoholism, wife beating, murder, theft all within this small military family. Hell, there were at least two high profile stateside murders involving Marines in the past year or so. So this isn’t a story of a few “malcontents”.
Since you mentioned it, Jarhead was about the most accurate Marine Corps movie I’ve ever seen (the boot camp scenes from Full Metal Jacket still makes me shudder). This of course is a movie about my generation of Marine. They got the tone right, even the look of the Marines…regular, average looking, in shape guys, not a bunch of really good looking body builders. And yes, many of us called it the “Suck”, it’s accurate, trust me. You may use “our” all you want. But just remember, you didn’t earn the right to call yourself Marine, nor wear the EGA…so it still ain’t your Corps. I am elite, as the Marine Corps is an elite fighting force, and I made it through training graduating near the top of my classes. I even went to OCS, but decided to change careers before accepting a commission. This is just fact, not bravado. The unit I spent most of my time in is also elite. One reason I enjoy (and I do enjoy it) stating that I served is that the right-wing tends to toss around the idea that “liberals” hate the military, are too chicken to enlist, etc., etc. My history proves this idea wrong. When you guys stop with the liberals hate the military crap, I’ll stop rubbing your nose in the service thing. Deal?
Iron, I hardly think I was losing this argument. I’ve not read any refutations of my statements. Actually, all I called for was justice all around. Convict those who are guilty, and exonerate those who are innocent. Are you against justice?
I always love it when non-Marine types try to tell me something about being a Marine. Statement of fact: I am a United States Marine. Statement of fact: you are not a United States Marine. There’s nothing more to it. I make no value judgements against you for not serving. Military service, much like a college education is not for everyone.
But, I hardly think my Senior Drill Instructor would be considered a Prima Donna, since he’s the first person I heard say that I couldn’t claim the Marine Corps until I passed the Commanding General at final review at the conclusion of boot camp. He’s a North Carolina boy. Rude, you know where Waynesville is right? I sincerely doubt he’d be considered a liberal democrat, but I could be wrong.
So if you are finished huffing and puffing Iron…
December 18th, 2008 - 3:32 pm
Hey dude, this is your battle your created, so leave me out of it.
The service stuff is tired though, I have never hit liberals for not enlisting. Thats your own creation here.
I don’t get this “pro-militray bravado” crap either.
I guess I am not liberal enough to understand…
Any, don’t bother addressing me in the next post, or I will shut this crap down. This is between you and IG.
December 18th, 2008 - 4:31 pm
I have watched your ass on these pages for three months now and enough is enough.
Now when I came into this thread, I was civil.
It was you who began calling me kindergartener(s)
You then played the typical “you’ve never served” garbage that so many John Soltz inspired types today pull.
I called you on the carpet and you go ahead and admit to Rude Dog that you use your service as a device to “stir up alot of emotions on the side of the civilian”
This is tier #1 prima donna trash, as is your “our Marines” bitching.
When your hat slapped your maggot face for calling the Corps your own, it is because you were not worthy at the time.
He also taught you that you don’t berate, bully, or use your status as a Marine as leverage for your Democratic scorecard.
You were never taught that angle about calling Marines soldiers either, and if you were, your D.I. meant it for you alone and not as a tool to run around town with to correct every ninety-year old lady thats says “Thank you soldier” like a prima donna.
Your behavior here is unsat at best Marine and you never took the turns I took.
After you address my previous challenges, which you hid behind our host on like a sick bay commando, you can then apologize to all of those who you have assailed with your lilliputian “I served and you didn’t” horseshit.
Then it should be the wheel for you, because that is how you are behaving.
If you didn’t absorb that you fucking low-rent Socrates it means I did serve and I, nor Yes I Served, who also reads this site, have never, ever felt the need to assail the public with our service as a cudgel to put them in “their place”
Get on your feet like man and stop beating on the plebes.
It was you and you alone in this thread, who demonstrated more faith in the innocence of the enemy than that of our own Marines.
Explain yourself if you will, but I think you are sitting alone at the dinner table.
December 18th, 2008 - 5:42 pm
Iron,
Check your blood pressure. You mentioned the kindergarten thing already, but hey who doesn’t like kindergarteners? I never said anything like “you never served”. I asked you a question. Then you went on mouthing off about what and who Marines were, and I merely corrected you. But maybe you are too blinded by rage to read the first sentence of my last post.
Reading comprehension Iron…please tell me when I said “use” my service as a device to stir up emotions. I said that it seems to stir up emotions…that’s called an observation…and well, you DO seem to be getting all “emotional”.
“Maggot face”? Really? My drill instructors were much more creative, so you’ll excuse me if I don’t get bent out of shape over your insult.
My “hat” (I suppose you mean Senior Drill Instructor Sgt. B********) didn’t slap my face for calling it my own. He told the entire platoon we were unworthy civilians trash until we passed in review on Graduation Friday. So, I’ve done my an eyes right, have you? I don’t know any other military veterans who would get so pissy. Yes I Served and I disagree on quite a bit, but he doesn’t get bent out of shape.
Sick Bay Commando, that’s a good one. Actually, I carried the Guidon (you know who carries that right?) from training day 4 until graduation, relinquishing it twice, once while I was pissing blood while passing a kidney stone, and the second 2 days later, when my SDI ordered me out of our 10 mile hump at mile 9, so the medical officer wouldn’t know I marched. I wouldn’t correct a 90 year old lady, but then again, you never know who is on the other end of a conversation on the internet. However, I would correct a civilian loudmouth who gets all of his military information from the tube in front of his lazy boy.
Again, IG, I care less that you served than I care about rooting out bad elements in MY Corps. I don’t want murders, thieves, drug-dealers, and other pieces of human trash dirtying up an institution that I love. When I used to put on my uniform, I knew I was part of a long line of history, and to not do anything that would tarnish the story of my Marine ancestors. If it’s OK with you to have people in the military who would kill civilian children, or wipe out a family, than I don’t know what kind of man you are. Killing civilians intentionally is not honorable. Do you believe otherwise? If it turns out that Marines murdered unarmed civilians what kind of sentence would you give them? Would you make excuses for them? Marines don’t think much of excuses.
So if you don’t like me talking about MY own family of Marines that’s too fucking bad.
Fucking low-rent Socrates, sitting at home alone, etc., etc., etc. Come on, do you think the words of some random guy on a blog is going to make me fall apart and lose my bearing?
I’m confused by your ranting were you calling yourself a plebe? Am I beating on you? I thought we were fighting as equals.
And I ask you again, are you against justice?
December 18th, 2008 - 11:29 pm
No. I am not against justice. I just have more faith in our military than your Crooks and Liars regurgitations.
You have faith that the Haditha Marines are guilty and I have faith justice is being served as we speak, and you Democrats who slandered them should apologize. Most of them were exonerated. Unless you think there is a big cover-up, in which case you can go the 9/11 Truther site. They will love you attacking the integrity of those Marines.
You’re a prima donna sick bay commando all day. Just look:
DMG: I care less that you served than I care about rooting out bad elements in MY Corps.
This must be the reason that you go around the Internet challenging people who serve, because you don’t care if they served.
DMG: Then you went on mouthing off about what and who Marines were, and I merely corrected you.
Look at SBC issuing a “correction”
What I do see, is a prima donna who hides behind these phony issues when he gets uncomfortable. That’s the sick bay commando part.
DMG:
So if you don’t like me talking about MY own family of Marines that’s too fucking bad.
What’s too bad is they don’t want you representing them they miserable way you do. Sgt B*******? What’s that for? Sgt. Bullshit maybe? Was that what they called you instead of prima donna? “Hey primo, we are giving you a bump. Now you are Sgt. Bullshit.”
DMG: Fucking low-rent Socrates, sitting at home alone, etc
Nobody said you are at home alone. Good of you to volunteer it.
DMG: I’m confused by your ranting were you calling yourself a plebe? Am I beating on you? I thought we were fighting as equals.
I was telling you to stop using your service as tool to challenge the civies with. It is you who served them, not the other way around SBC. Is anyone reading this who can’t figure that out, or is it just you
SocratesSBC?It is a great read, this thread is.
You start out on your soapbox, lecturing about waterboarding and International Law, then you go on and on about not wanting people to disgrace the uniform, then you represent this very uniform by calling people names, and assuming I never served because I don’t abuse my service as weapon.
If you think that’s how to do it, well it shows you either weren’t shown proper, or you are just another Sick Bay Commando. You served the people, they don’t serve you.
We are done here.
December 18th, 2008 - 11:39 pm
Low Rent Socrates… ROLFLMAO!
That sick bay commando was good to.
Dmg, you should stick to fagology, you were much better at that.
December 19th, 2008 - 2:16 am
El Bastardo, you are an ass.
IG, don’t feed the trolls. Stay off the rabbit trails.
DMG, you always start the personal attacks and then Poof! We are back to your biography that is so impressive to you.
For the record, IG didn’t insult your leader, he insulted you. It’s as clear as day and everyone can see it.
The last one from each of you were both deleted.
This was heading nowhere fast and it left the rails long ago.
El Bastardo, you are an abomination.
It’s been fun girls, the fight is called at four rounds with many low blows, slips and dodges.
We will let all ten readers decide the winner, because you two will go back and fourth for two decades about the finer points of a flea’s erection and nobody gives a damn.
DMG: “You are an illogical kindergartener who doesn’t care for Justice. I know the flea’s erection wants justice”
IG: “You are a Madonna and a discount Descartes”
DMG: “I am a Marine”
IG: “I am a better Marine”
DMG: “No. I carried the Guido”
IG: “No. You are a Medical Ward Rambo”
Only morbid curiosity at how gory you two would get allowed this insipid turd toss to continue.
If both of you press me, It will be published, but I promise nobody will be happy. I suggest cold showers.
I am hoping this dies here.
The Rude Dog’s version of the argument was the most funny and El Bastardo, you are a failure as a human being.
December 19th, 2008 - 10:48 am
My apologies for getting salty, something just need to be said.
December 19th, 2008 - 11:15 am
Iron,
I know you are apologizing to Rude rather than me. But I have to tell you, I never got angry during our exchange. You are entitled to your opinions. I hope you comment more often. Rude you can give him my email address if he wants to tell me something more. I’m just not really interested in angry exchange via email.
December 19th, 2008 - 8:30 pm
I rarely click on links. This reminds me why. In this case I’m glad though. I’ve been known not to throw the baby out with the bath water. I try to agree with what is correct, regardless of where it comes from. I thought some others did too.
This has been a very enlightening thread and shows the hypocrisy of those who purport to speak for others best interests or protection.
I don’t want to imagine what would possess someone to act as if they’re the great drill instructor of the whole military, or any one branch thereof. I don’t care if there are so many acronyms used that I can hardly decipher what you reference. All that proves is you’re probably a Marine, no proof of a good one or anything else. The ad hominem attacks: I don’t need to tell you what that means or what it is, when used. Obviously, a reminder is needed, though. So, look it up, if you like. I’ll assume I don’t need to tell you ‘the only thing it proves’ is…, by those guilty of using.
I’ll assume all are aware there is a ‘good’ Marine, a ‘not so good’ Marine, and imo most are the former. Of course I’ve the facts that make this an intelligent opinion.
Now, I have come to a judgment here. Some people will stoop to a very low level in support of their ideology. Seeing this displayed, hurts me terribly. So, this post is all about me, not you. This is about me saying that I see it, I’m appreciative that something earned is sometimes better then something given, and respect is one of those things.
There are many regulations governing the wearing of the military uniform. Not so much if worn via the written word of the WWW. It would rely on self governance and keeping the ’spirit’ of what is intended. Honor, Courage, and Commitment would dictate that one would not wear the spirit of the uniform in a haphazard and illegitimit way. It would not be worn in a way any different then the actual, physical comparison.
The criticisms of the military would be more palatable if the same measures were applied in a ‘your own backyard’ kind of way. Usually, I don’t have a huge problem with all of our many insignificant hypocrisies. This blatant attack on the military isn’t insignificant. Done in such a sheeps clothing, I’m in uniform, kind of way.
It’s insisted that people should give the President and President Elect the benefit of the doubt. I agree. Innocent until proven guilty. Some carry this to an extreme and feel that there are those who shouldn’t be questioned, even when “stinky” things surround them. I draw the line (absolutely) where MY military is concerned. You know very well the difference in questioning and slander and undermining.
To claim that one would correct their own kids first before screaming that your child can do no wrong is not an accurate portrayal, DMG. I’ve often agreed with you and appreciated a congenial attitude on your part. I can’t tell you how disappointed I am to see it fall so short on military issues. Especially MY Marines.
Here, you’ve done just the opposite. I don’t want to fuss with you or argue, but I did think you kind of lost it, at the time. I didn’t care so much then. Here, I do. The disciplinarian conditions that are the Corps are not part of the politician. That alone should give you reason to provide the military with an (even) extra amount of benefit of doubt then you would any civilian.
As I said, this is about me. Still, I hope you’ll rethink your position in this case, where My Marines are concerned. The one you take now breaks my heart and feels like family stabbing me in the back. Some here may have gone through boot more recently then you, that alone says a lot. Some here might be active, that’s a whole other world from you. Some might have been there (places you speak) and even lost their brothers. I can see for myself that there are many here who believe that a Marine is innocent until proven guilty, in our civilian laws. You should have an extra dose of that belief, you’re a Devil Dog.
As you know, once a Marine, always a Marine. It’s interesting that when the Corps speaks directives on uniform regs, you are referred to as a former member of the armed forces.
I know what it looks like, sounds like, acts like, to have the best interests of children and of the Marine. I’m a VPMM of two Marines. You have slandered my men, my Marines specifically, and the rest generally.
Don’t be offended at my strong words, there are those whose precious bodies are in the ground, that you know not of. I know you can find it in your abilities to reconsider the stance you’ve taken with our military. Don’t throw the baby out…
December 19th, 2008 - 9:12 pm
Wow.
Thank you for taking the time to make such a thoughtful comment.
I always fear for classy folks when they venture into here.
December 20th, 2008 - 9:43 am
Like I said, I’ve served with Marines, and I AM a Marine. Period. All the misty eyed stuff about what we do went out the door a long time ago. We are trained to kill people and blow up things, and we are very efficient at it. But discipline is more than shining boots. We aren’t the boy scouts, get over it. It’s this same mentality that doesn’t understand why domestic abuse rises when my brothers come back from getting shot at in Iraq and Afghanistan. Don’t chastise me. I feel like I was stabbed in the heart when Haditha happened. You should feel for the thousands of us who are NOT accused of a war crime, and try to imagine how we feel with the potential stain on our name and our HONOR. I hope those guys are innocent, but if he’s not I want him stripped of my uniform at the very least. If they get a sham trial and are let off, I’m sure God will sort them out.
December 20th, 2008 - 10:47 am
So the honorable Marine Corps are putting on a sham trial?
What percentage come back and beat their wives?
Why focus on just the negative? You don’t do this with your politics.
You treat the liberal better than the Marines.
December 20th, 2008 - 2:06 pm
Look folks, like many institutions the Marine Corps is not perfect. And if we merely put our heads in the sand and said that these things don’t happen, Marines and their families suffer. The military has the full range of society in its ranks. Pretending that crime doesn’t happen only allows it to go unpunished and uncorrected. It doesn’t matter what percentage beat their wives, it only matters that there are some warriors who do, and they need help and support more than they need parades and folks saying “thank you for your service”. I see more and more of my brothers now in their 20’s and 30’s and homeless wandering in the Emergency room for substance abuse or psychiatric problems. Too many of these have been cut off from the proper military support they need. Do you all not realize that war is pornographic in its level of violence and that not only affects a warriors body, but also his mind and soul? Nobody is stopping you guys from focusing on the positive side of the military. I have a great time whenever I run into Marines from any generation at airports, bars, wherever. But don’t attempt to berate someone who has actually been IN the Corps who may understand it’s goings on better than you. I’ve taken up collections for guys in my unit when they’ve had their lights shut off, and they are receiving food stamps to get by. I’ve seen guys taken away in handcuffs for drug dealing or almost killing their wives after coming back early from WestPac to discover something no man should see his wife doing. I’ve seen a LCpl snap and shove a 9-mm in the face of a SSgt. who had been needlessly hounding him before the ground war kicked off many years ago. I don’t care if you think I’m bragging, that’s not the point. You guys only see the shiny outer coat of the Marines, and I love that part too. But NOBODY is going to tell his mom, dad, girlfriend or wife what really happens out in the Fleet. Nobody talks about WestPac widows, and young wives running off with PFC so and so’s allotment. This stuff happens. So get over yourselves about how much you think you know about the Marine Corps. It’s not all spit shined shows, Dress Blues and parades.
One last thing you guys have to get over this liberal and conservative crap. When rounds are coming down range we aren’t split up by political, racial, or philosophical leanings, we are all green, or lately desert tan. We don’t fight for an American flag, or the President, or even God Almighty himself, we fight for our brother running next to us. And sometimes we pick up his body parts with loving care and stuff them into our pockets, just so they get buried with him. Not one of you who rates to chastise me or tell me what I should think about my Marine Corps, until you’ve had the experience of whiping your brothers blood off of your boots. Do you understand now?
December 20th, 2008 - 4:22 pm
Yeah that’s all well and good.
You don’t tell anybody where we rate. Your ass got handed to you by Iron Geek, who has ten times your self congratulating experience. You stepped in dog poop there, it was funny to watch.
You still treat the liberal politician better than you treat the Marines. Look at all of your comments right here on this blog.
At every interval, you defend the most despicable liberal actions, while at the same time, you take every opportunity to assail the Corps.
Espirit de Corps is dead in your veins, it’s “esprit de left” for you.
December 20th, 2008 - 4:35 pm
OMFG, you are still at it Sick Bay?
Damn, you are a f***ing masochist. I was feeling bad for you, but f**k it, I’ll pile on too.
What is with the lecture about war? Only Demoncats hand out these lectures. “War is bad, war is bloody”
No shit really? Thank you senor for your amazing insight.
We are basking in the glow of your wisdom, O’ Sick Bay.
Nobody said nothing about all of this sh*t except you.
The topside is about Colin Powell, but you must have read the Troll part and decided to stick around.
All the bad stuff in this thread is of your creation Sick Bay, you “low rent Socrates”, ROFLMAO!
You tried to get all bleeding heart about towelheading, and next thing you know you are writing about soldiers beating their wives, all in defense of their honor!
December 20th, 2008 - 4:46 pm
The arrogance is staggering.
Sgt. Bullshit, you simply don’t get to tell anybody where they rate.
Your tantrum here, and it’s subsequent aftermath have damaged your credibility. Perhaps not in your own mind, in which you are legendary, but right here on this small corner of the net.
There are many servicemen who’s eyes pass over these pages, and they are a damn sight better than you.
The whole argument you are waging is a gross avoidance of the fact that you demostrate more faith in Democrats than in our Marines.
December 20th, 2008 - 9:05 pm
Esprit de Corps is something that you’ll never know anything about, and for that I feel sorry for you. Esprit de Corps is something that happens for many years after the uniform is old, dusty and doesn’t fit as well as it did when you were a young 20 something. It’s not something that you’ll ever know about. It’s something that only brothers and sisters in the Corps share, and it’s not for you. Nor is it for you to judge. You just aren’t in the club.
Iron Geek, I don’t know who or what you are or what you’ve done in life. That’s your business. But you aren’t a brother Marine I am, and always will be part of a brotherhood that extends back to Tun Tavern in 1775. Can you say that?
December 20th, 2008 - 9:56 pm
Yes I can.
I guess it wasn’t clear to you before.
You need to take a break, this isn’t good for anybody.
I am finished on this one.
December 20th, 2008 - 10:48 pm
Where do make this stuff up at?
My family has been in the Marines since Tun Tavern.
Can you say that?
Digging deeper and deeper.
[Deleted by Admin, & easy with the linkwhoring]
This is how liberals treat us:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=IGB8oZIpZM8
http://www.americanconservativedaily.com/2008/02/marines-not-welcome-in-liberal-land/
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/28/troop.vote/
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/military_ballots_tossed_in_fai.php
A Republican saves the ballots:
http://patriotroom.com/virginia-attorney-general-saves-military-ballots-in-fairfax/
December 21st, 2008 - 1:16 am
How many soldiers are on here? Four Marines and half of the Navy?
December 21st, 2008 - 1:21 pm
Are you guys still at this?
rbana OK, your family are Marines. That’s great! It’s always nice to be able to trace your family history. The day before Executive Order 8802 is probably the reason I can’t say that. It seems that the Marine Corps didn’t allow black men to serve in the Corps until the Montford Point Marines
. More proof that the Corps has not always been perfect. You DID learn about Montford Point in Boot Camp right?
The only thing that matters is what you do in life, not your family history.
Iron Geek, yeah a break from screaming is probably a good thing, especially on the Sunday before Christmas, at some point we just stop hearing what the other is saying altogether.
rbana, I don’t know why you continue to say things like this is how “liberals treat us”, when a very large number of Marines I’ve served with could be considered…liberals. When I was in, I noticed that most had no strong political affiliation, and there was a fairly equal number of democrats and republicans.
Whatever, have some egg nog.